An Etymological Discussion of Ancient Texts

[Oldcynic]

Yahweh:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zW6rqrJQl...ture=share

[counterintelligence]

Yahweh:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zW6rqrJQl...ture=share

It's actually yhwh.  It's practically not pronounceable.

[Nekro]

nevermind the video wont post

[SlowLoris]

Yahweh:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zW6rqrJQl...ture=share

It's actually yhwh.  It's practically not pronounceable.

It is pronounceable.

http://www.yahweh.org/ has a very good, well researched explanation on how to pronounce YHWH.

Chapter 9 of the publication http://www.yahweh.org/Sacred-Name-Yahweh.html

"The view that the sacred name is made up of four consonants is born out
of ignorance. It starts with the false notion that all of the letters in the Hebrew
alphabet (or Hebrew-Aramaic form) are consonants. The truth of the matter is
that the tetragrammaton is not represented by four consonants at all, but by
four vowel-consonants or semivowels. That is, it is four letters that can be
used either as vowels or consonants. A comparable example would be our
English letters “W” and “Y,” which can be utilized either as vowels or conso-
nants. 14 To prove this vital point one only needs to consult any good book on
Hebrew grammar. For example, Weingreen states: 15
However, long before the introduction of vowel-
signs it was felt that the main vowel-sounds should
be indicated in writing, and so the three letters w, h, y
were used to represent long vowels.

R. Laird Harris writes in his Introductory Hebrew Grammar:16
Four of the Hebrew letters, a, h, w, and y are called
vowel letters.

The Beginner’s Handbook to Biblical Hebrew by Marks and Rogers and How
the Hebrew Language Grew by Horowitz likewise report that the letters a, h, w,
and y are Hebrew vowel-consonants. 17 Therefore, every letter in the sacred
name hwhy (palaeo-Hebrew hwhy) is a vowel-consonant or semivowel.

How then can we determine whether or not the letters making up the
sacred name are to be understood as vowels or as consonants? The answer to
this question lies in the works of the first century C.E. Jewish priest and his-
torian Josephus. While discussing the garment of the high priest described in
Exodus, 28:1-43, he makes this revealing comment: 18

His (the priest’s) head was covered by a tiara of fine
linen, wreathed with blue, encircling which was
another crown, of gold, whereon were embossed the
sacred letters, to wit, FOUR VOWELS (fwnhventa
tevssara; phonhenta tessara). 19

The passage in Exodus to which Josephus refers states:
And you shall make a plate of pure gold; and you
shall engrave on it the engravings of a signet, “Sacred
to hwhy.” And you shall put a ribbon of blue on it,
and it shall be on the miter; it shall be to the front of
the miter. (Exod., 28:36-37)

Josephus was a well-educated Jewish priest. He describes himself as ex-
ceeding “in the learning belonging to the Jews.” 20 In his time the sacred name
was still being privately revealed to members of the Jewish priesthood.21
Therefore, Josephus was among the “chosen” Jews who knew how to pro-
nounce the sacred name. He also lived at a time long before the Jewish scribes
began to place vowel symbols around the Hebrew letters. If anyone would
know the correct usage of the Hebrew letters it would be someone like
Josephus, and Josephus clearly states that all four “sacred letters,” i.e. the
letters of the sacred name, 22 were vowels. Accordingly, the four sacred letters
forming the sacred name hwhy were in his day pronounced as vowels, not
consonants. As vowels there is no requirement or need for additional vowel
sounds to be added between the letters; the name is complete in and of itself!

Hebrew vowel letters, like English vowel letters, vary in sound. The three
vowel letters used in the sacred name reflect these following inflections: 23

The y (y) could indicate ee, ay or eh.
The h (h) could indicate ah, eh or ay.
The w (w) could indicate oo or aw.

As we shall next demonstrate, ancient testimony verifies that the vowel
letters when combined to form the sacred name are more precisely pro-
nounced as follows:

y (y) ee as in the word see; or y as in the word yes.
h (h) ah as in the word bah.
w (w) oo as in the word too, or long u, as in rue.
h (h) ay as in the word bay; or e as in whet.

The pronunciation of the sacred name hwhy, Aramaic form hwhy (based
upon normal Hebrew vocalization of the four letters as vowels), as a result, is
ee-ah-oo-ay, y-ah-oo-ay, or y-ah-oo-eh.


18 Jos., Wars, 5:5:7 (235f).
19 That fwnhventa in Greek means “vowels” see GEL (1968), p. 1968, s.v.; and translations by
Thackeray, Jos., III, p. 273, loc. cit.; Whiston, Jos., p. 556, loc. cit.

[DaJavoo]

Even the priests that knew the name ~ they were only allowed to utter it one time a year during worship ritual at Atonement ~ they did not gather as a club in the temple back rooms and practice it or sharing it.

After temple worship disappeared in 70AD, eventually, so did the pronunciation of The Name.

[anakin]

Yahweh:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zW6rqrJQl...ture=share

It's actually yhwh.  It's practically not pronounceable.

It is pronounceable.

http://www.yahweh.org/  has a very good, well researched explanation on how to pronounce YHWH.

Chapter 9 of the publication http://www.yahweh.org/Sacred-Name-Yahweh.html

"The view that the sacred name is made up of four consonants is born out
of ignorance. It starts with the false notion that all of the letters in the Hebrew
alphabet (or Hebrew-Aramaic form) are consonants. The truth of the matter is
that the tetragrammaton is not represented by four consonants at all, but by
four vowel-consonants or semivowels. That is, it is four letters that can be
used either as vowels or consonants. A comparable example would be our
English letters “W” and “Y,” which can be utilized either as vowels or conso-
nants. 14 To prove this vital point one only needs to consult any good book on
Hebrew grammar. For example, Weingreen states: 15
However, long before the introduction of vowel-
signs it was felt that the main vowel-sounds should
be indicated in writing, and so the three letters w, h, y
were used to represent long vowels.

R. Laird Harris writes in his Introductory Hebrew Grammar:16
Four of the Hebrew letters, a, h, w, and y are called
vowel letters.

The Beginner’s Handbook to Biblical Hebrew by Marks and Rogers and How
the Hebrew Language Grew by Horowitz likewise report that the letters a, h, w,
and y are Hebrew vowel-consonants. 17 Therefore, every letter in the sacred
name hwhy (palaeo-Hebrew hwhy) is a vowel-consonant or semivowel.

How then can we determine whether or not the letters making up the
sacred name are to be understood as vowels or as consonants? The answer to
this question lies in the works of the first century C.E. Jewish priest and his-
torian Josephus. While discussing the garment of the high priest described in
Exodus, 28:1-43, he makes this revealing comment: 18

His (the priest’s) head was covered by a tiara of fine
linen, wreathed with blue, encircling which was
another crown, of gold, whereon were embossed the
sacred letters, to wit, FOUR VOWELS (fwnhventa
tevssara; phonhenta tessara). 19

The passage in Exodus to which Josephus refers states:
And you shall make a plate of pure gold; and you
shall engrave on it the engravings of a signet, “Sacred
to hwhy.” And you shall put a ribbon of blue on it,
and it shall be on the miter; it shall be to the front of
the miter. (Exod., 28:36-37)

Josephus was a well-educated Jewish priest. He describes himself as ex-
ceeding “in the learning belonging to the Jews.” 20 In his time the sacred name
was still being privately revealed to members of the Jewish priesthood.21
Therefore, Josephus was among the “chosen” Jews who knew how to pro-
nounce the sacred name. He also lived at a time long before the Jewish scribes
began to place vowel symbols around the Hebrew letters. If anyone would
know the correct usage of the Hebrew letters it would be someone like
Josephus, and Josephus clearly states that all four “sacred letters,” i.e. the
letters of the sacred name, 22 were vowels. Accordingly, the four sacred letters
forming the sacred name hwhy were in his day pronounced as vowels, not
consonants. As vowels there is no requirement or need for additional vowel
sounds to be added between the letters; the name is complete in and of itself!

Hebrew vowel letters, like English vowel letters, vary in sound. The three
vowel letters used in the sacred name reflect these following inflections: 23

The y (y) could indicate ee, ay or eh.
The h (h) could indicate ah, eh or ay.
The w (w) could indicate oo or aw.

As we shall next demonstrate, ancient testimony verifies that the vowel
letters when combined to form the sacred name are more precisely pro-
nounced as follows:

y (y) ee as in the word see; or y as in the word yes.
h (h) ah as in the word bah.
w (w) oo as in the word too, or long u, as in rue.
h (h) ay as in the word bay; or e as in whet.

The pronunciation of the sacred name hwhy, Aramaic form hwhy (based
upon normal Hebrew vocalization of the four letters as vowels), as a result, is
ee-ah-oo-ay, y-ah-oo-ay, or y-ah-oo-eh.


18 Jos., Wars, 5:5:7 (235f).
19 That fwnhventa in Greek means “vowels” see GEL (1968), p. 1968, s.v.; and translations by
Thackeray, Jos., III, p. 273, loc. cit.; Whiston, Jos., p. 556, loc. cit.

 Ok, now ya'll are scaring me thinking I'm back in school at grammar class!!

[anakin]

awesome thread! Humanity as a whole needs to wake the f up. we've been lied to and manipulated from the start. common sense and critical thinking without the "emotion". Hell we, as humans, have found the 'god gene' responsible for some peoples illogical thinking and can 'turn it off' per se. not to mention the guy in NY or Mass. who has that electromagnetic helmet the he can put on you and MAKE you feel as if you are with "god"..
Know that'll piss off some people here but have to wake up sometime.. Not to say we don't have a 'soul' but 'our species' is definitely getting a royal screwing with by 'others'. we are putting our  "faith" if you will, to, at, for, the wrong "thing, entity, (object?)"..
My 2cents worth...

Methinks my current depressed state has more to do with the lies and deceit that has been exposed recently.  All my 70+ years on this Earth, believing in "god" when it was multiple "gods," faith manipulated by priests and kings to suit their agenda, the U.S.A. Inc., feeding me with distortions and falsehoods to convince me to be a patriot has me feeling miserable and faithless.

OK, I'll desist!

Don't feel bad ,we're all in the same "boat".  Could be worse, you could of been kicked out of sunday schools and churchs in your town cause you asked questions like they did to me...

[Oldcynic]

awesome thread! Humanity as a whole needs to wake the f up. we've been lied to and manipulated from the start. common sense and critical thinking without the "emotion". Hell we, as humans, have found the 'god gene' responsible for some peoples illogical thinking and can 'turn it off' per se. not to mention the guy in NY or Mass. who has that electromagnetic helmet the he can put on you and MAKE you feel as if you are with "god"..
Know that'll piss off some people here but have to wake up sometime.. Not to say we don't have a 'soul' but 'our species' is definitely getting a royal screwing with by 'others'. we are putting our  "faith" if you will, to, at, for, the wrong "thing, entity, (object?)"..
My 2cents worth...

Methinks my current depressed state has more to do with the lies and deceit that has been exposed recently.  All my 70+ years on this Earth, believing in "god" when it was multiple "gods," faith manipulated by priests and kings to suit their agenda, the U.S.A. Inc., feeding me with distortions and falsehoods to convince me to be a patriot has me feeling miserable and faithless.

OK, I'll desist!

Don't feel bad ,we're all in the same "boat".  Could be worse, you could of been kicked out of sunday schools and churchs in your town cause you asked questions like they did to me...

That's a familiar scenario to me.

[Oldcynic]

Is our Holy Bible based on Mesopotamian cuneiform tablets?

https://youtu.be/XBFeHqQguCA?list=PLFUaz...tfr96o0noG

[SlowLoris]

Is our Holy Bible based on Mesopotamian cuneiform tablets?

https://youtu.be/XBFeHqQguCA?list=PLFUaz...tfr96o0noG

Or is it the same story, told from another perspective, in another language?