An Etymological Discussion of Ancient Texts

[DaJavoo]

The Nicene Creed came about very early in Church history ~ 325 AD ~ well before control freaks ~ unless you count trying to weed out antagonistic doctrines.

If all comers with a handful of scriptures or letters were allowed to add to established doctrine, it would be a hodge-podge of hopeless confusion.  The Canon was limited to the writings of the disciples and the doctrines they taught.  That is what has been preserved through the ages.

I like to think that there was Inspiration behind it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

[Oldcynic]

The Nicene Creed came about very early in Church history ~ 325 AD ~ well before control freaks ~ unless you count trying to weed out antagonistic doctrines.

If all comers with a handful of scriptures or letters were allowed to add to established doctrine, it would be a hodge-podge of hopeless confusion.  The Canon was limited to the writings of the disciples and the doctrines they taught.  That is what has been preserved through the ages.

I like to think that there was Inspiration behind it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

Yup, from Constantine, the Sun worshiper.

[DaJavoo]

The Nicene Creed came about very early in Church history ~ 325 AD ~ well before control freaks ~ unless you count trying to weed out antagonistic doctrines.

If all comers with a handful of scriptures or letters were allowed to add to established doctrine, it would be a hodge-podge of hopeless confusion.  The Canon was limited to the writings of the disciples and the doctrines they taught.  That is what has been preserved through the ages.

I like to think that there was Inspiration behind it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

Yup, from Constantine, the Sun worshiper.

We all believed in something or nothing before coming to faith. 

It is said, God has no grandchildren.

[hannah]

Recently there has been an interest in literal translations of Biblical texts.

This discussion may not be for everyone. Please be respectful if your opinion differs from the information presented.

I will not tolerate mudslinging or disrespect for those of us who wish to dig deeply into the original language of religious texts.

The first video is one put out by Paul Wallis.

58 minutes

Just finished. This was amazing. I'm reminded of some dude I started following ~4 months back. Similar message in the first post I read. I think I found him via a Tartaria topic on X.

Thank you @SlowLoris for the thread. May take me some time to get through all the videos given current circumstances, but I do thank you for opening up the conversation.

[ELIAKIM]

St Jerome's Letters, I read through these over 20 years ago and extracted what I thought was interesting at the time. I had posted extracts onto my website at the time. 

In one of the letters St Jerome discusses why they decided not to include the spiritual law. The reason given was because Egyptians were killing and maiming themselves so that decided not to put the information in. Which means there was certainly information that was excluded after the Origen and Marcion texts. 

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001.htm

[SlowLoris]

St Jerome's Letters, I read through these over 20 years ago and extracted what I thought was interesting at the time. I had posted extracts onto my website at the time. 

In one of the letters St Jerome discusses why they decided not to include the spiritual law. The reason given was because Egyptians were killing and maiming themselves so that decided not to put the information in. Which means there was certainly information that was excluded after the Origen and Marcion texts. 

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001.htm

It is good that the internet has given the average person access to thousands of documents, along with translations so that everyone can search, research and decide for themselves what should be the foundation of their faith or if they so choose, to toss the whole thing out and have no part in any of it.

[Oldcynic]

St Jerome's Letters, I read through these over 20 years ago and extracted what I thought was interesting at the time. I had posted extracts onto my website at the time. 

In one of the letters St Jerome discusses why they decided not to include the spiritual law. The reason given was because Egyptians were killing and maiming themselves so that decided not to put the information in. Which means there was certainly information that was excluded after the Origen and Marcion texts. 

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001.htm

It is good that the internet has given the average person access to thousands of documents, along with translations so that everyone can search, research and decide for themselves what should be the foundation of their faith or if they so choose, to toss the whole thing out and have no part in any of it.

How right you are!  Let's try to separate the flyshit from the pepper. 

Belief in a benevolent, loving Creator is very personal and somewhat indescribable.

Then, there's fallen angels and the loosh collectors.

[SlowLoris]

I have never read the Hammurabi Law Code. I guess there is no time like the present. There are 282 laws.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/hamframe.asp

This is the introduction:

The Code of Hammurabi
Translated by L. W. King

When Anu the Sublime, King of the Anunaki, and Bel, the lord of Heaven and earth, who decreed the fate of the land, assigned to Marduk, the over-ruling son of Ea, God of righteousness, dominion over earthly man, and made him great among the Igigi, they called Babylon by his illustrious name, made it great on earth, and founded an everlasting kingdom in it, whose foundations are laid so solidly as those of heaven and earth; then Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.

Hammurabi, the prince, called of Bel am I, making riches and increase, enriching Nippur and Dur-ilu beyond compare, sublime patron of E-kur; who reestablished Eridu and purified the worship of E-apsu; who conquered the four quarters of the world, made great the name of Babylon, rejoiced the heart of Marduk, his lord who daily pays his devotions in Saggil; the royal scion whom Sin made; who enriched Ur; the humble, the reverent, who brings wealth to Gish-shir-gal; the white king, heard of Shamash, the mighty, who again laid the foundations of Sippara; who clothed the gravestones of Malkat with green; who made E-babbar great, which is like the heavens, the warrior who guarded Larsa and renewed E-babbar, with Shamash as his helper; the lord who granted new life to Uruk, who brought plenteous water to its inhabitants, raised the head of E-anna, and perfected the beauty of Anu and Nana; shield of the land, who reunited the scattered inhabitants of Isin; who richly endowed E-gal-mach; the protecting king of the city, brother of the god Zamama; who firmly founded the farms of Kish, crowned E-me-te-ursag with glory, redoubled the great holy treasures of Nana, managed the temple of Harsag-kalama; the grave of the enemy, whose help brought about the victory; who increased the power of Cuthah; made all glorious in E-shidlam, the black steer, who gored the enemy; beloved of the god Nebo, who rejoiced the inhabitants of Borsippa, the Sublime; who is indefatigable for E-zida; the divine king of the city; the White, Wise; who broadened the fields of Dilbat, who heaped up the harvests for Urash; the Mighty, the lord to whom come scepter and crown, with which he clothes himself; the Elect of Ma-ma; who fixed the temple bounds of Kesh, who made rich the holy feasts of Nin-tu; the provident, solicitous, who provided food and drink for Lagash and Girsu, who provided large sacrificial offerings for the temple of Ningirsu; who captured the enemy, the Elect of the oracle who fulfilled the prediction of Hallab, who rejoiced the heart of Anunit; the pure prince, whose prayer is accepted by Adad; who satisfied the heart of Adad, the warrior, in Karkar, who restored the vessels for worship in E-ud-gal-gal; the king who granted life to the city of Adab; the guide of E-mach; the princely king of the city, the irresistible warrior, who granted life to the inhabitants of Mashkanshabri, and brought abundance to the temple of Shidlam; the White, Potent, who penetrated the secret cave of the bandits, saved the inhabitants of Malka from misfortune, and fixed their home fast in wealth; who established pure sacrificial gifts for Ea and Dam-gal-nun-na, who made his kingdom everlastingly great; the princely king of the city, who subjected the districts on the Ud-kib-nun-na Canal to the sway of Dagon, his Creator; who spared the inhabitants of Mera and Tutul; the sublime prince, who makes the face of Ninni shine; who presents holy meals to the divinity of Nin-a-zu, who cared for its inhabitants in their need, provided a portion for them in Babylon in peace; the shepherd of the oppressed and of the slaves; whose deeds find favor before Anunit, who provided for Anunit in the temple of Dumash in the suburb of Agade; who recognizes the right, who rules by law; who gave back to the city of Ashur its protecting god; who let the name of Ishtar of Nineveh remain in E-mish-mish; the Sublime, who humbles himself before the great gods; successor of Sumula-il; the mighty son of Sin-muballit; the royal scion of Eternity; the mighty monarch, the sun of Babylon, whose rays shed light over the land of Sumer and Akkad; the king, obeyed by the four quarters of the world; Beloved of Ninni, am I.

When Marduk sent me to rule over men, to give the protection of right to the land, I did right and righteousness in . . . , and brought about the well-being of the oppressed.

[SlowLoris]

Who was Hammurabi? 



https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hammurabi

Hammurabi (born, Babylon [now in Iraq]—died c. 1750 bce) was the sixth and best-known ruler of the 1st (Amorite) dynasty of Babylon (reigning c. 1792–1750 bce), noted for his surviving set of laws, once considered the oldest promulgation of laws in human history.

EDIT: Side note supposed time of Israelite exodus from Egypt is somewhere around 1250 BCE. Several centuries after Hammurabi wrote his law code.

[Oldcynic]

I have never read the Hammurabi Law Code. I guess there is no time like the present. There are 282 laws.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/hamframe.asp

This is the introduction:

The Code of Hammurabi
Translated by L. W. King

When Anu the Sublime, King of the Anunaki, and Bel, the lord of Heaven and earth, who decreed the fate of the land, assigned to Marduk, the over-ruling son of Ea, God of righteousness, dominion over earthly man, and made him great among the Igigi, they called Babylon by his illustrious name, made it great on earth, and founded an everlasting kingdom in it, whose foundations are laid so solidly as those of heaven and earth; then Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.

Hammurabi, the prince, called of Bel am I, making riches and increase, enriching Nippur and Dur-ilu beyond compare, sublime patron of E-kur; who reestablished Eridu and purified the worship of E-apsu; who conquered the four quarters of the world, made great the name of Babylon, rejoiced the heart of Marduk, his lord who daily pays his devotions in Saggil; the royal scion whom Sin made; who enriched Ur; the humble, the reverent, who brings wealth to Gish-shir-gal; the white king, heard of Shamash, the mighty, who again laid the foundations of Sippara; who clothed the gravestones of Malkat with green; who made E-babbar great, which is like the heavens, the warrior who guarded Larsa and renewed E-babbar, with Shamash as his helper; the lord who granted new life to Uruk, who brought plenteous water to its inhabitants, raised the head of E-anna, and perfected the beauty of Anu and Nana; shield of the land, who reunited the scattered inhabitants of Isin; who richly endowed E-gal-mach; the protecting king of the city, brother of the god Zamama; who firmly founded the farms of Kish, crowned E-me-te-ursag with glory, redoubled the great holy treasures of Nana, managed the temple of Harsag-kalama; the grave of the enemy, whose help brought about the victory; who increased the power of Cuthah; made all glorious in E-shidlam, the black steer, who gored the enemy; beloved of the god Nebo, who rejoiced the inhabitants of Borsippa, the Sublime; who is indefatigable for E-zida; the divine king of the city; the White, Wise; who broadened the fields of Dilbat, who heaped up the harvests for Urash; the Mighty, the lord to whom come scepter and crown, with which he clothes himself; the Elect of Ma-ma; who fixed the temple bounds of Kesh, who made rich the holy feasts of Nin-tu; the provident, solicitous, who provided food and drink for Lagash and Girsu, who provided large sacrificial offerings for the temple of Ningirsu; who captured the enemy, the Elect of the oracle who fulfilled the prediction of Hallab, who rejoiced the heart of Anunit; the pure prince, whose prayer is accepted by Adad; who satisfied the heart of Adad, the warrior, in Karkar, who restored the vessels for worship in E-ud-gal-gal; the king who granted life to the city of Adab; the guide of E-mach; the princely king of the city, the irresistible warrior, who granted life to the inhabitants of Mashkanshabri, and brought abundance to the temple of Shidlam; the White, Potent, who penetrated the secret cave of the bandits, saved the inhabitants of Malka from misfortune, and fixed their home fast in wealth; who established pure sacrificial gifts for Ea and Dam-gal-nun-na, who made his kingdom everlastingly great; the princely king of the city, who subjected the districts on the Ud-kib-nun-na Canal to the sway of Dagon, his Creator; who spared the inhabitants of Mera and Tutul; the sublime prince, who makes the face of Ninni shine; who presents holy meals to the divinity of Nin-a-zu, who cared for its inhabitants in their need, provided a portion for them in Babylon in peace; the shepherd of the oppressed and of the slaves; whose deeds find favor before Anunit, who provided for Anunit in the temple of Dumash in the suburb of Agade; who recognizes the right, who rules by law; who gave back to the city of Ashur its protecting god; who let the name of Ishtar of Nineveh remain in E-mish-mish; the Sublime, who humbles himself before the great gods; successor of Sumula-il; the mighty son of Sin-muballit; the royal scion of Eternity; the mighty monarch, the sun of Babylon, whose rays shed light over the land of Sumer and Akkad; the king, obeyed by the four quarters of the world; Beloved of Ninni, am I.

When Marduk sent me to rule over men, to give the protection of right to the land, I did right and righteousness in . . . , and brought about the well-being of the oppressed.

Great find!!

For the inquisitive, go to the bottom of the link for:  CODE OF LAWS