Court upholds FAAs requirement for remote ID on quads (drones)

[counterintelligence]

The fake news owns and operates helicopters.  Those aren't cheap to operate.  Guess how they can afford them.

They also now own quads that are supposed to bring you a better news experience.  But for the rest of us that might go to the super market and buy a quad from there, they heckle us about getting one.  Oh. Yours isn't as glitsy and expensive as ours.  You might be peeking through your neighbors window with it.  I doesn't take the expense of going out and buying a quad in order to irritate my neighbors.  There are plenty of other perfectly time tested and proven methods of doing that.  

Of course, the fake news is snickering over in a corner about their helicopter and the fact that you can have no expectation of privacy at 400 feet above the ground while they're up there getting footage of some event.

[Slo'hand]

https://dronexl.co/2022/07/29/faas-remot...-in-court/

Another useless bureaucratic move justified by an appeals court.  Not sure who pressured Trump to get registration of quads and their digital broadcasting pushed through.  

FAA is supposed to be managing the national airspace and not worrying about who might be spying on somebody in their own neighborhoods.  There's peepy tom ordinances in most towns, just let the LEOs take care of it.  But they don't even know the laws about quads.

One justification is because of a quadrocopter sighting at Gatwick airport.  Shut down the whole airport.  But apparently it was nothing more than a plastic bag.  This and other similar fud is being used to promote the need for a remote ID for quads.  Not current implementation on the books yet, but is due by September.  Bluetooth and wifi typically only run about 30-60 feet.  For the broadcast to be received might require being right underneath the quad.  This is also a disconnected function of being able to fly over people.  Prop guards are indicated, but if the blades stop, it becomes a free falling rock.

None of us Aerospace gays/Gals and even the DER's don't understand the ruling. We never have. We asked the top guy at the SA FAA directorate office when he was at the hanger in 2013. He's nice guy and always had been. He said it's way above him. He said he didn't agree with the ruling. He said a RC Helo with a Go Pro strapped to it is the same a quad drone with a camera. He continue that all RC toys and drone toys can be used as a weapon. Just sharing history.

[counterintelligence]

https://dronexl.co/2022/07/29/faas-remot...-in-court/

Another useless bureaucratic move justified by an appeals court.  Not sure who pressured Trump to get registration of quads and their digital broadcasting pushed through.  

FAA is supposed to be managing the national airspace and not worrying about who might be spying on somebody in their own neighborhoods.  There's peepy tom ordinances in most towns, just let the LEOs take care of it.  But they don't even know the laws about quads.

One justification is because of a quadrocopter sighting at Gatwick airport.  Shut down the whole airport.  But apparently it was nothing more than a plastic bag.  This and other similar fud is being used to promote the need for a remote ID for quads.  Not current implementation on the books yet, but is due by September.  Bluetooth and wifi typically only run about 30-60 feet.  For the broadcast to be received might require being right underneath the quad.  This is also a disconnected function of being able to fly over people.  Prop guards are indicated, but if the blades stop, it becomes a free falling rock.

None of us Aerospace gays/Gals and even the DER's don't understand the ruling. We never have. We asked the top guy at the SA FAA directorate office when he was at the hanger in 2016. He's nice guy and always had been. He said it's way above him. He said he didn't agree with the ruling. He said a RC Helo with a Go Pro strapped to it is the same a quad drone with a camera. He continue that all RC toys and drone toys can be used as a weapon. Just sharing history.

I wasn't even sure whether I would even have a use for one.  My city council tried to pass an emergency ordinance for quads (for peepy tom purposes).  Peepy Tom ordinances already exist in city code, just add verbage to it about quads and move on.  Oh no. They cut and paste the Federal Regulations in such a way that they included the part about a weaponized quad (which yes it doesn't necessarily need armanent for that), in a form of a city offense instead of a federal one.  I wrote the city council about it and how they really don't know what they are doing.  Most government idiots don't even understand anything aboout aviation and they make weird decisions concerning it.  There's even one place that has an airport and won't use it.  They have an independence day celebration on the airport, for citizens who wouldn't have any clue, to celebrate keeping the airport closed.  

Like it's counterpart, ADS-B, which was mainly used for the harsh environment of Alaska, and people flying open water, has been implemented for the whole general aviation community, although some areas have continued to operate using radar.  Mode S, came as a result of freeing up congested transponder traffic, and post 9/11 to keep hijackers from being able to turn it off.  Government idiots still don't understand that hijackers typically run a bullet through the thing.  But there is speculation that the government is more advanced than trained hijackers coming from a cave dwelling to take down some important economic buildings where the military removed all of the valuables before the "unprecidented attack".  And a nice trainig session for just such a situation should it happen in say a few hours.  DEW weapons and no need for hijacked planes will do the job.  Draw in planes later on national television.

Most likely some brilliant mind from somewhere thinks that they have come up with some solution to some fake news invented problem by using remote ID.  Some quads fly for about 20-30 minutes and when seconds count the LEOs are only minutes away.  By the time they show up with a remote ID detector and figure out which one to use, it'll probably have to stop and land.  But somebody will feel like they've accomplished some big feat, when they should have been paying more attention to airspace incursions, which is what the FAA should be doing.

[counterintelligence]

Not to mention that the Amazon delivery drones will be making the lives of porch pirates so much easier (whether remote ID is used or not).  Just visual observation of where it was going will have one show up at your door.



Package delivery guy knocks on the door of several people announcing that they will be receiving a quad delivery. Then the quad just drops something in their yard while caught on candid camera. Why don't you just give me my delivery? You're already at my door.

[Heir]

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[Slo'hand]

https://dronexl.co/2022/07/29/faas-remot...-in-court/

Another useless bureaucratic move justified by an appeals court.  Not sure who pressured Trump to get registration of quads and their digital broadcasting pushed through.  

FAA is supposed to be managing the national airspace and not worrying about who might be spying on somebody in their own neighborhoods.  There's peepy tom ordinances in most towns, just let the LEOs take care of it.  But they don't even know the laws about quads.

One justification is because of a quadrocopter sighting at Gatwick airport.  Shut down the whole airport.  But apparently it was nothing more than a plastic bag.  This and other similar fud is being used to promote the need for a remote ID for quads.  Not current implementation on the books yet, but is due by September.  Bluetooth and wifi typically only run about 30-60 feet.  For the broadcast to be received might require being right underneath the quad.  This is also a disconnected function of being able to fly over people.  Prop guards are indicated, but if the blades stop, it becomes a free falling rock.

None of us Aerospace gays/Gals and even the DER's don't understand the ruling. We never have. We asked the top guy at the SA FAA directorate office when he was at the hanger in 2016. He's nice guy and always had been. He said it's way above him. He said he didn't agree with the ruling. He said a RC Helo with a Go Pro strapped to it is the same a quad drone with a camera. He continue that all RC toys and drone toys can be used as a weapon. Just sharing history.

I wasn't even sure whether I would even have a use for one.  My city council tried to pass an emergency ordinance for quads (for peepy tom purposes).  Peepy Tom ordinances already exist in city code, just add verbage to it about quads and move on.  Oh no. They cut and paste the Federal Regulations in such a way that they included the part about a weaponized quad (which yes it doesn't necessarily need armanent for that), in a form of a city offense instead of a federal one.  I wrote the city council about it and how they really don't know what they are doing.  Most government idiots don't even understand anything aboout aviation and they make weird decisions concerning it.  There's even one place that has an airport and won't use it.  They have an independence day celebration on the airport, for citizens who wouldn't have any clue, to celebrate keeping the airport closed.  

Like it's counterpart, ADS-B, which was mainly used for the harsh environment of Alaska, and people flying open water, has been implemented for the whole general aviation community, although some areas have continued to operate using radar.  Mode S, came as a result of freeing up congested transponder traffic, and post 9/11 to keep hijackers from being able to turn it off.  Government idiots still don't understand that hijackers typically run a bullet through the thing.  But there is speculation that the government is more advanced than trained hijackers coming from a cave dwelling to take down some important economic buildings where the military removed all of the valuables before the "unprecidented attack".  And a nice trainig session for just such a situation should it happen in say a few hours.  DEW weapons and no need for hijacked planes will do the job.  Draw in planes later on national television.

Most likely some brilliant mind from somewhere thinks that they have come up with some solution to some fake news invented problem by using remote ID.  Some quads fly for about 20-30 minutes and when seconds count the LEOs are only minutes away.  By the time they show up with a remote ID detector and figure out which one to use, it'll probably have to stop and land.  But somebody will feel like they've accomplished some big feat, when they should have been paying more attention to airspace incursions, which is what the FAA should be doing.

That was an excellent write up. Speaking upon 9/11. I've been in aviation for over 35 years and I don't know one person that thinks it happened the way they reported it. Also, the plane that nose dived in Penn is total BS. Laughable BS. I was working for Alice Walton building VVIP and VIP aircraft interiors on narrow and wide bodies for Heads of State and the Elite of the world (same shit I did at GDC and Comlux) at the time of 9/11. Nobody there at that time, that had a brain didn't believe. One morning they mustered all of us up in hanger 2 and told us if we are caught talking about 9/11 we would be immediately fired.

[counterintelligence]

None of us Aerospace gays/Gals and even the DER's don't understand the ruling. We never have. We asked the top guy at the SA FAA directorate office when he was at the hanger in 2016. He's nice guy and always had been. He said it's way above him. He said he didn't agree with the ruling. He said a RC Helo with a Go Pro strapped to it is the same a quad drone with a camera. He continue that all RC toys and drone toys can be used as a weapon. Just sharing history.

I wasn't even sure whether I would even have a use for one.  My city council tried to pass an emergency ordinance for quads (for peepy tom purposes).  Peepy Tom ordinances already exist in city code, just add verbage to it about quads and move on.  Oh no. They cut and paste the Federal Regulations in such a way that they included the part about a weaponized quad (which yes it doesn't necessarily need armanent for that), in a form of a city offense instead of a federal one.  I wrote the city council about it and how they really don't know what they are doing.  Most government idiots don't even understand anything aboout aviation and they make weird decisions concerning it.  There's even one place that has an airport and won't use it.  They have an independence day celebration on the airport, for citizens who wouldn't have any clue, to celebrate keeping the airport closed.  

Like it's counterpart, ADS-B, which was mainly used for the harsh environment of Alaska, and people flying open water, has been implemented for the whole general aviation community, although some areas have continued to operate using radar.  Mode S, came as a result of freeing up congested transponder traffic, and post 9/11 to keep hijackers from being able to turn it off.  Government idiots still don't understand that hijackers typically run a bullet through the thing.  But there is speculation that the government is more advanced than trained hijackers coming from a cave dwelling to take down some important economic buildings where the military removed all of the valuables before the "unprecidented attack".  And a nice trainig session for just such a situation should it happen in say a few hours.  DEW weapons and no need for hijacked planes will do the job.  Draw in planes later on national television.

Most likely some brilliant mind from somewhere thinks that they have come up with some solution to some fake news invented problem by using remote ID.  Some quads fly for about 20-30 minutes and when seconds count the LEOs are only minutes away.  By the time they show up with a remote ID detector and figure out which one to use, it'll probably have to stop and land.  But somebody will feel like they've accomplished some big feat, when they should have been paying more attention to airspace incursions, which is what the FAA should be doing.

That was an excellent write up. Speaking upon 9/11. I've been in aviation for over 35 years and I don't know one person that thinks it happened the way they reported it. Also, the plane that nose dived in Penn is total BS. Laughable BS. I was working for Alice Walton building VVIP and VIP aircraft interiors on narrow and wide bodies for Heads of State and the Elite of the world (same shit I did at GDC and Comlux) at the time of 9/11. Nobody there at that time, that had a brain didn't believe. One morning they mustered all of us up in hanger 2 and told us if we are caught talking about 9/11 we would be immediately fired.

Seems like our government has an agenda with most of these things that all of sudden need to be required as soon as the slow moving snail down behind a desk at a federal agency gets right on it.  But since they have been planning it for several years mostly in secrecy, that they appeared to have moved quickly on something "pressing".    It was only a pressing issue, because most likely it was completely unnecessary or unconstitutional.  And you well know the post 9/11 patRIOT act was drafted before 9/11.  

The requirement to have the ADS-B transponder is only needed in heavier traffic areas as opposed to the quads having to be running remote ID from before takeover to after landing.  So you could fly across half the continent with only a mode C or maybe even no transponder.  But given that there are ways to pick up ADS-B traffic, maybe all you need is just the altitude to know if you are going to run into someone at your altitude.  ADS-B has an added function of broadcast weather, that can be received just by being high enough or driving by a tower.  

The other problem is that remote ID and ADS-B do not coincide each other in any way.  I thought this was a major airspace incursion situation that we needed to be preventing.   For a decade or two now they have been all about runway incursions (that is with manned aircarft at airports not running into each other).  It is highly doubtful that pilots of manned aircraft can even see a little wadded up piece of plastic with jinsu knives rotating, and within a time frame to be able to do anything about it.  Maybe the body of a quad needs to resemble that of a SMV triangle.  

[Slo'hand]

I wasn't even sure whether I would even have a use for one.  My city council tried to pass an emergency ordinance for quads (for peepy tom purposes).  Peepy Tom ordinances already exist in city code, just add verbage to it about quads and move on.  Oh no. They cut and paste the Federal Regulations in such a way that they included the part about a weaponized quad (which yes it doesn't necessarily need armanent for that), in a form of a city offense instead of a federal one.  I wrote the city council about it and how they really don't know what they are doing.  Most government idiots don't even understand anything aboout aviation and they make weird decisions concerning it.  There's even one place that has an airport and won't use it.  They have an independence day celebration on the airport, for citizens who wouldn't have any clue, to celebrate keeping the airport closed.  

Like it's counterpart, ADS-B, which was mainly used for the harsh environment of Alaska, and people flying open water, has been implemented for the whole general aviation community, although some areas have continued to operate using radar.  Mode S, came as a result of freeing up congested transponder traffic, and post 9/11 to keep hijackers from being able to turn it off.  Government idiots still don't understand that hijackers typically run a bullet through the thing.  But there is speculation that the government is more advanced than trained hijackers coming from a cave dwelling to take down some important economic buildings where the military removed all of the valuables before the "unprecidented attack".  And a nice trainig session for just such a situation should it happen in say a few hours.  DEW weapons and no need for hijacked planes will do the job.  Draw in planes later on national television.

Most likely some brilliant mind from somewhere thinks that they have come up with some solution to some fake news invented problem by using remote ID.  Some quads fly for about 20-30 minutes and when seconds count the LEOs are only minutes away.  By the time they show up with a remote ID detector and figure out which one to use, it'll probably have to stop and land.  But somebody will feel like they've accomplished some big feat, when they should have been paying more attention to airspace incursions, which is what the FAA should be doing.

That was an excellent write up. Speaking upon 9/11. I've been in aviation for over 35 years and I don't know one person that thinks it happened the way they reported it. Also, the plane that nose dived in Penn is total BS. Laughable BS. I was working for Alice Walton building VVIP and VIP aircraft interiors on narrow and wide bodies for Heads of State and the Elite of the world (same shit I did at GDC and Comlux) at the time of 9/11. Nobody there at that time, that had a brain didn't believe. One morning they mustered all of us up in hanger 2 and told us if we are caught talking about 9/11 we would be immediately fired.

Seems like our government has an agenda with most of these things that all of sudden need to be required as soon as the slow moving snail down behind a desk at a federal agency gets right on it.  But since they have been planning it for several years mostly in secrecy, that they appeared to have moved quickly on something "pressing".    It was only a pressing issue, because most likely it was completely unnecessary or unconstitutional.  And you well know the post 9/11 patRIOT act was drafted before 9/11.  

The requirement to have the ADS-B transponder is only needed in heavier traffic areas as opposed to the quads having to be running remote ID from before takeover to after landing.  So you could fly across half the continent with only a mode C or maybe even no transponder.  But given that there are ways to pick up ADS-B traffic, maybe all you need is just the altitude to know if you are going to run into someone at your altitude.  ADS-B has an added function of broadcast weather, that can be received just by being high enough or driving by a tower.  

The other problem is that remote ID and ADS-B do not coincide each other in any way.  I thought this was a major airspace incursion situation that we needed to be preventing.   For a decade or two now they have been all about runway incursions (that is with manned aircarft at airports not running into each other).  It is highly doubtful that pilots of manned aircraft can even see a little wadded up piece of plastic with jinsu knives rotating, and within a time frame to be able to do anything about it.  Maybe the body of a quad needs to resemble that of a SMV triangle.  

Agree.

[counterintelligence]

ADS-B allows for aircraft to pack the airspace a little tighter than would be capable with the limitations of radar.  With the latencies of the electronic capabilites and differing response times and implementations, maybe even some bogus readings or lack of security, the speed at which aircraft fly, why do they really need to bring them in closer to each other?  It's nice to not have to feel like I'm running around in rush hour traffic or too close for comfort with some other guy with varied experience buzzing around out there.  An off road vehicle needs to feel like a vacation away from all the madness. The thing like the quads float around a little in the air especially on a turbulent or windy day. Thunderstorms 30 miles away can be felt.

[counterintelligence]

ADS-B implementations on quads are for the quads to be warned of manned aircraft in their area is in consideration and has been implemented in newer DJI quads.  DJIs implementation has been named airsense.  But that's only so useful if they are way above and you aren't going that high.  The magic of radio, can make this from 2 seconds notice to 5 minutes notice depending on how well the signal comes through to the ground.